Ordered 8.5 and got W8.5 box said 8.5 so shoes were in wrong box and clearly wide. Sent back and 3 weeks later received the same W8.5 in a 8.5 box. When I called to return was told this was a final sale. Never was it listed as a final sale or it had changed during the return of the pair I sent back. I was able to return only after explaining I was sent the wrong shoe size again. Will not order from a company if I will have a problem returning something. Too many other shoe companies to order from.