Ordered 2 OTF knives from these people. Fast shipping was the only good part. One knife didn't work at all and the blade on the other wobbled like weeble. Returned them for a refund because its cheap crap. When I called to inquire about the refund I was told there was nothing wrong them. That I lied about the knives. They were supposed to be gifts for people so why would I not want them if they actually worked? Don't buy this cheap garbage from these ripoff's!